President Donald Trump, wrapping up a high-profile summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, sat down with Fox News anchor Bret Baier on May 15, 2026 for an extended interview that ranged across trade deals, the ongoing U.S. military campaign against Iran, Taiwan policy, artificial intelligence, Cuba, and the 2026 midterm elections. Trump called the summit “a fantastic success,” announced that China had committed to purchasing 200 Boeing aircraft, defended his decision to withhold a $12 billion weapons package to Taiwan as a “negotiating chip,” and insisted — despite public frustration over high gas prices — that he does not think about Americans’ financial situations when it comes to stopping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. We’ve fact-checked the major verifiable claims throughout. The verdicts range from confirmed to false, with several important misleading framings in between. Assistance from Claude AI.
Participants
Donald Trump, President of the United States
Bret Baier, Anchor, Fox News Special Report
The interview was conducted in Beijing at the conclusion of the U.S.-China summit and broadcast on Fox News’ Special Report.
Fact-Check Verdict Summary
Before the full breakdown, here is a plain-language guide to what we found. Two of Trump’s major factual claims are rated False: his oft-repeated claim of $18 trillion in U.S. investment commitments, and his dramatic description of Iran’s nuclear mountain “literally collapsing.” Three claims are rated Misleading: the Taiwan “59 miles” distance, his characterization of Pastor Brunson’s “35-year term,” and his employment record claim. The Boeing deal, China’s oil dependence on the Strait of Hormuz, the market records, the weapons package figure, the casualty count, and the Venezuela timeline are rated Approximately Accurate or Accurate, though each carries important qualifications explained below.
Topic-by-Topic Breakdown
The Beijing Summit: Trade Deals and the Personal Relationship with Xi
Trump opened by framing the summit’s biggest achievement in personal rather than policy terms: “I think the most important thing is relationship. It’s all about relationship. I have a very good relationship with President Xi and with China.” He argued that personal rapport between leaders translates directly into problem-solving capacity that other administrations lacked.
On concrete trade outcomes, Trump announced that China committed to purchasing 200 Boeing aircraft — specifically 777s and 737s, all to be fitted with General Electric engines. He added that if Boeing and GE perform well on the initial order, the purchase could scale to 750 planes. He also pointed to agricultural gains, saying American farmers are getting increased soybean exports to China, and cited a figure of $18 trillion in total investment commitments to the United States over the past 11 months.
Trump confirmed that President Xi has been invited to visit the White House, with a target date of around September 24, 2026.
FACT-CHECK — ACCURATE (with caveats): The Boeing 200-plane deal
Boeing confirmed the order in a statement released May 16, 2026, describing it as “reopening the China market to orders for Boeing aircraft” after nearly a decade. Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg had traveled to Beijing with the U.S. delegation. Trump’s claim that “Boeing wanted 150, got 200” was consistent with Boeing’s own statement. However, Boeing did not specify aircraft models or delivery timelines, and Bloomberg reported the agreement “remained nebulous on numbers, aircraft type and a sense of timing.” The option to scale to 750 aircraft was stated by Trump aboard Air Force One and was not addressed by Boeing in its statement (Boeing statement via 2news.com/AP, 2026; Bloomberg, 2026).FACT-CHECK — FALSE: “$18 trillion in 11 months”
This claim has been rated false by multiple independent analysts and fact-checkers. The White House’s own investment tracker lists $9.6 trillion — roughly half of Trump’s stated figure — and that number itself is widely considered inflated. A Bloomberg Economics analysis found that of the White House’s $9.6 trillion, only about $7 trillion qualifies as genuine investment pledges; the remaining $2.6 trillion consists of product purchase agreements and vague “economic exchange” language. Of the corporate portion, only approximately $128 billion was committed to specific projects at the time of Bloomberg’s analysis (PolitiFact, 2025; Cato Institute, 2026). The Peterson Institute for International Economics noted that the basis for the $18 trillion figure “is not clear” even relative to the White House’s own tracker. Actual foreign direct investment data from the Federal Reserve showed FDI “grew 23% more rapidly during the Biden years, 2021–24, than it did in the first three quarters of 2025” (Cato Institute, 2026).Context for general readers: Several of the largest line items in the White House’s investment tracker are pledges from Middle Eastern nations (UAE, Qatar) that are multiples of those countries’ entire annual economic output, raising serious questions about feasibility. Many “Trump Effect” investments were previously announced plans from U.S. companies like Apple and Meta that were repackaged for the announcement.
Chinese Manufacturing on U.S. Soil and Tariff Policy
Baier noted that some members of both parties have raised concerns about Chinese companies building manufacturing facilities inside the United States. Trump was unapologetic: if Chinese companies want to avoid tariffs, building in America is the logical path, and that means hiring American workers. He drew a comparison to Japanese automakers — Toyota, Honda — which have built large plants across the country.
On Chinese automobiles specifically, Trump defended his 100% tariff on Chinese-made cars, arguing it has shielded the U.S. auto market from the disruption he says Europe is experiencing. “Europe is being killed. They’re being absolutely swamped by hundreds of thousands, millions of Chinese cars. And Mercedes and BMW and Volkswagen, they’re getting killed.”
Context for general readers: China has developed a large and fast-growing domestic electric vehicle industry, with companies like BYD producing cars at prices far below what Western manufacturers can match. European automakers have struggled to compete, and the EU has imposed its own tariffs on Chinese EVs — though at lower rates than Trump’s 100%.
Baier raised a wrinkle: a recent Supreme Court ruling touching on tariff authority. Trump clarified that the ruling only addressed a specific type of tariff, and that he has an alternative legal pathway to impose “the same tariff in, frankly, a little bit more complex way. It’s actually a better tariff. It’s actually a more stringent tariff.” He did not elaborate on the specific legal mechanism.
Taiwan: “Neutral” Security, Withheld Weapons, and the Chip Industry
This section of the interview contained some of the most consequential policy statements of the entire conversation.
Baier noted that after Trump’s first meeting with Xi, the Chinese president’s spokesman released a public statement warning that mishandling the Taiwan question could put “the entire relationship in great jeopardy” — language Baier characterized as sounding “almost like a threat.” Trump said that statement did not reflect how the conversation felt behind closed doors: “No, it wasn’t. Not at all.”
Trump then made a revealing comment about deterrence: “Now, with me, I don’t think they’ll do anything when I’m here. When I’m not here, I think they might, to be honest with you.” This suggests Trump views his personal presence and relationships as a stabilizing factor in cross-strait tensions — a departure from the traditional U.S. posture of maintaining strategic ambiguity backed by ongoing military commitments.
On whether Taiwan’s security situation had improved or worsened after the summit, Trump answered simply: “Neutral.” When Baier asked whether U.S. policy had changed, Trump replied: “No, nothing has changed.”
The withheld weapons package was a central point of tension. Trump confirmed he has not yet approved the transfer and was explicit about his reasoning: “It’s a very good negotiating chip for us, frankly.” When Baier noted that Xi probably appreciated this, Trump said: “I’m holding that in abeyance. And it depends on China.”
FACT-CHECK — APPROXIMATELY ACCURATE: “$12 billion” weapons package
The Trump administration announced two Taiwan arms packages: $11.1 billion in December 2025 and an earlier $330 million package, for a combined total of approximately $11.43 billion. Trump’s figure of $12 billion is a slight rounding up but close to the actual combined value. The $11.1 billion package remains the largest single arms sale to Taiwan in U.S. history (CNN, 2025; Breaking Defense, 2025).
Trump also suggested he worries about Taiwan’s current leadership pushing for formal independence, which he views as reckless: “They’re going independent because they want to get into a war and they want to — they figure they have the United States behind them.” He said: “I’d like to see it stay the way it is.”
In what he himself called “a little news,” Trump said he would like to see all chip manufacturers currently based in Taiwan relocate to the United States — particularly to Arizona. He framed this as both a geopolitical and economic move, arguing that semiconductor concentration in Taiwan creates strategic risk. He claimed the U.S. already expects to capture 40 to 50 percent of global chip production by the end of his term.
Context for general readers: Taiwan produces the vast majority of the world’s most advanced computer chips, primarily through Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC). These chips power everything from smartphones to military systems. The concentration of this industry on a small island close to mainland China is widely considered one of the world’s most significant strategic vulnerabilities. TSMC has already begun building facilities in Arizona, partly in response to U.S. government incentives.
FACT-CHECK — FALSE: Taiwan is “59 miles” from mainland China
The Taiwan Strait — the body of water separating Taiwan from the Chinese mainland — ranges from approximately 110 miles (180 km) at its widest to about 81 miles (130 km) at its narrowest point (Wikipedia, “Taiwan Strait”). Neither measurement is close to 59 miles. Trump’s figure understates the crossing distance by roughly 25 to 30 percent. The error, whatever its source, serves to dramatize Taiwan’s physical exposure to China — but the actual geography does not support the specific number he cited.
Artificial Intelligence: The U.S.-China Competition
Baier asked whether the summit produced any agreement on AI guardrails. Trump said the two leaders discussed it but acknowledged the competitive dynamic makes formal agreements difficult: “We’re competing with each other and we’re going to put guardrails. It really doesn’t work that way too much.”
Trump claimed the United States is “leading China by a lot” in the AI race, and said President Xi “was very surprised at how well we’ve done with AI.” He attributed part of the U.S. advantage to a policy decision he made allowing AI companies to build their own power generation facilities — addressing the enormous electricity demands of AI data centers without relying on the broader power grid. No specific agreements or frameworks were announced.
Context for general readers: The AI race between the U.S. and China is real and intensely contested. China made significant early advances in AI, and the emergence of Chinese AI systems like DeepSeek surprised many in the U.S. technology industry. The question of who is “leading” depends substantially on which metrics and applications are measured.
Iran: Military Campaign, Nuclear Stakes, Gas Prices, and the Strait of Hormuz
The Iran discussion was the most extended portion of the interview and touched on multiple dimensions of the ongoing U.S. military conflict.
Background for general readers: The Trump administration launched military strikes against Iran — named Operation Epic Fury — beginning February 28, 2026, targeting Iran’s nuclear facilities, military infrastructure, and leadership. The campaign has been underway for approximately two-and-a-half months at the time of this interview, and a ceasefire took effect on April 8, 2026, though hostilities have continued. The conflict has disrupted oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz — the narrow waterway through which roughly 20 percent of the world’s oil passes — contributing to elevated energy prices in the United States.
On Iran’s military capabilities, Trump was dismissive of Iranian threats. He said Iran’s navy and air force have been “destroyed” and claimed all 159 of its naval ships “are on the bottom of the sea,” characterizing its remaining fast boats as little more than armed runabouts.
FACT-CHECK — APPROXIMATELY ACCURATE (official figures): 159 Iranian ships
U.S. Central Command stated it had destroyed “at least 155 Iranian vessels” as of the ceasefire period in April 2026 (Military Times, 2026). Trump’s figure of 159 is close to CENTCOM’s own stated number. However, the claim that every single Iranian vessel is destroyed is not independently verifiable, and Iran’s denial of international access makes complete inventory verification impossible. Notably, Trump himself acknowledged in the same interview that Iran still has “fast boats” — which somewhat contradicts the absolute characterization.
On the nuclear program, Trump made a dramatic claim: he said Iran’s nuclear facilities were struck so hard that a granite mountain “literally collapsed” on the underground enrichment site, and that Iran told him directly they lack the capability to excavate the nuclear material. He added that Space Force satellites monitor the site continuously and can read name tags on personnel from orbit.
FACT-CHECK — FALSE: “The mountain literally collapsed on it”
Expert analysis of post-strike satellite imagery does not support Trump’s claim of a collapsed mountain. The Center for Strategic and International Studies found that the U.S. struck the Fordow enrichment facility — built inside a mountain — with 12 Massive Ordnance Penetrators, and that satellite imagery showed stabilization activity (filling in penetration holes, building new access roads) but not a collapsed mountain (CSIS, 2025). The IAEA assessed Fordow as “inoperable” — a significant finding, but categorically different from “destroyed.” A leaked Defense Intelligence Agency document reported by NPR suggested damage at one site “could have been minimal” (NPR, 2025).More critically, the claim that Iran cannot retrieve its nuclear material is contradicted by the best available evidence. Iran is estimated to still possess approximately 440 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, and its exact location is unknown because Iran has denied IAEA access since February 28, 2026 (Arms Control Association, 2026). The Arms Control Association notes that this unaccounted stockpile represents the central proliferation risk of the entire campaign — the material was not destroyed and buried, but dispersed and hidden from inspectors. Trump’s statement that only the U.S. or China could retrieve the material is not corroborated by open-source reporting.
Trump also said he has now “stopped” Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon twice, and that without his intervention, Iran would have had a bomb approximately two years ago and would have used it on Israel and the broader Middle East.
On deal attempts, Trump said Pakistan brokered a near-agreement in which Iran agreed to surrender its nuclear material and meet all U.S. demands — but then backed away, a pattern he said has repeated approximately five times. “There’s something wrong with them. Actually, they’re crazy.”
On gas prices and economic pain, Baier played a clip of Trump saying he “doesn’t think about Americans’ financial situation” when it comes to Iran — a statement that generated significant public backlash. Trump defended it as a correct answer taken out of context, arguing that stopping a nuclear-armed Iran justifies temporary economic pain: “You cannot let them have a nuclear weapon. They will use it on us.” He predicted oil prices, which he said were around $99 per barrel at the time of the interview, will “drop like a rock” once the conflict ends.
On China getting three Iranian oil tankers: Baier noted that China obtained three tankers of Iranian oil during the week of the interview. Trump acknowledged this was deliberate: “We allowed that to happen.” He implied this was a goodwill gesture ahead of the Beijing summit.
On Xi Jinping’s role: Trump said Xi told him he wants to see the Iran situation end and offered to help. Trump declined: “We don’t need help. And you know the problem with help? When somebody helps you, they always want something on the other side.”
FACT-CHECK — APPROXIMATELY ACCURATE: China’s oil dependence on Strait of Hormuz
Trump said Xi “gets 40 percent of his oil there.” Multiple authoritative sources place China’s dependence on Hormuz-linked oil in the range of 35 to 50 percent, making Trump’s figure a reasonable approximation. EIA data shows China receives 37.7 percent of total crude flows through the strait; Vortexa estimated roughly 35 percent of China’s total crude supply in 2025; Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy estimated 45–50 percent of China’s crude oil imports transit the strait (Visual Capitalist/EIA, 2026; Vortexa, 2026; China Briefing, 2026). The variance depends on whether the denominator is China’s total supply (including domestic production) or seaborne imports only.
On Venezuela as comparison: Baier pressed Trump on why the Iran campaign has not concluded as quickly as the U.S. military operation in Venezuela. Trump acknowledged the situations are fundamentally different — Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, which he called categorically more dangerous — while defending the pace by comparing it favorably to past U.S. wars.
FACT-CHECK — MISLEADING: Venezuela operation lasted “48 minutes”
Trump’s description of the Venezuela operation’s duration was erratic — within a single sentence he said “one day,” then “48 hours,” then “48 minutes and 13 seconds.” The U.S. military strike on January 3, 2026 that resulted in the capture of Nicolás Maduro ran from approximately 02:01 to 04:29 local Venezuelan time — roughly two hours and twenty-eight minutes (Wikipedia, 2026). Al Jazeera reported the explosions heard across Caracas lasted “less than 30 minutes,” which may be the figure Trump was trying to recall. The broader Operation Southern Spear, which the strike was part of, began in September 2025. Trump’s specific “48 minutes and 13 seconds” figure has no basis in available reporting.
On the timeline for Iran: Trump refused to give a specific end date but said “I think it’s going to end fast” and expressed confidence that Iran will “capitulate.”
On U.S. casualties: Trump cited a relatively low casualty count as evidence of a well-conducted campaign: “We’ve lost 13 soldiers in two wars.”
FACT-CHECK — APPROXIMATELY ACCURATE (official count; contested): 13 soldiers killed
As of early April 2026, U.S. Central Command and the Pentagon’s Defense Casualty Analysis System confirmed 13 U.S. service members killed in Operation Epic Fury against Iran (Military Times, 2026; Time, 2026). For the Venezuela operation in January 2026, publicly available data shows 7 U.S. soldiers wounded but no U.S. fatalities, which is consistent with Trump’s combined toll of 13. However, The Intercept reported credible evidence of undercounting — at least one additional death excluded from official tallies, and 15 wounded-in-action troops removed from the Pentagon’s casualty rolls without public explanation (The Intercept, 2026). Additionally, 381 service members have been wounded, several seriously, a figure Trump did not mention.
Economic Performance and Voter Frustration
Baier shared feedback from specific Trump voters — “Alex,” a three-time supporter struggling with costs, and “Roy,” a retired Pennsylvania farmer frustrated by rising fuel prices — who expressed disappointment.
Trump acknowledged the pain but pivoted to economic indicators he views as positive: the Dow Jones reaching 50,000, the S&P reaching 7,000, 401(k)s at all-time highs, and what he described as record employment. He also noted the stock market is currently higher than when he took office, even with the Iran conflict ongoing.
FACT-CHECK — ACCURATE (S&P understated): Dow at 50,000, S&P at 7,000
The Dow Jones Industrial Average first crossed 50,000 on February 6, 2026, closing at 50,115.67. On May 14, 2026 — the day before the interview aired — the Dow closed at 50,063.46, having retaken the 50,000 level (24/7 Wall St., 2026; CNBC, 2026). Trump’s Dow claim is accurate. His S&P claim is actually an understatement: the S&P 500 closed at 7,501.24 on May 14, 2026, setting a new all-time record (CNBC, 2026). Trump’s reference to “7,000” was already outdated relative to where the index stood.FACT-CHECK — MISLEADING: “More people working than at any point ever in history”
The raw number of employed Americans does periodically set nominal records because the U.S. population grows over time — so in that narrow literal sense, the claim can be technically defensible at various points. However, the labor force participation rate — a far more meaningful measure of whether the economy is generating employment relative to the working-age population — barely moved during Trump’s term, ticking down slightly from 62.6 percent in January 2025 to 62.5 percent in January 2026 (CNN fact-check of State of the Union, 2026). A slightly smaller share of working-age Americans is participating in the labor market compared to when Trump took office, which undermines the triumphant framing.
Baier quoted a Detroit Free Press characterization of the economic mood: enthusiasm on Wall Street coexisting with spreading pessimism in American kitchens. Trump’s response was to frame the short-term pain as a deliberate, justified trade-off: “I said to my people, I hate to do this to you, but we have to stop this group of very crazy people.”
Midterm Elections and Redistricting
Baier noted that Trump had pushed for congressional redistricting and that, following court victories including at the Supreme Court level, contested districts are now tilting Republican. Trump said redistricting “helps” but argued the more decisive midterm factor would be whether the Iran conflict ends before November. He cited a CNN poll showing him at 100% approval within the Republican Party, and said he won all 18 elections in which he endorsed candidates the previous day.
However, Trump was notably candid about midterm risk: “I don’t know. I can’t tell you.” He acknowledged the historical pattern of the president’s party losing House seats in midterms, saying “even if you have a good president who has done a good job, they always lose the midterms.”
He also said passage of the “Save America Act” — an election integrity bill — was important, claiming Democrats “can’t win” without what he characterized as cheating.
Cuba: CIA Visit and a Potential Deal
Baier revealed that the CIA director visited Cuba on Thursday (May 14, 2026), and noted that China had been expanding its presence on the island, including 92 solar farms as part of a renewable energy project. Trump said China “is not there anymore” and expressed optimism that Cuba is ready to negotiate with the United States, describing it as “a totally failed nation” that needs aid and is currently receiving it. He credited Senator Marco Rubio and the broader Cuba policy team for progress.
Human Rights: Jimmy Lai, Jailed Pastors, and What Xi Said
Baier asked whether Trump raised human rights in his meetings with Xi. Trump confirmed he did, specifically mentioning:
Jimmy Lai — the pro-democracy Hong Kong media publisher jailed under China’s National Security Law. Trump said he raised Lai’s case “at length” but received a decidedly negative response from Xi, who characterized Lai as “sort of his worst nightmare.” Trump was honest in his assessment: “I did not feel optimistic. I’d have to be honest with you about that one.” He confirmed Lai would not be on Air Force One for the return to Washington.
A jailed pastor (identified in the interview as a separate case from Lai) — Trump said this case is “under consideration” and that he feels “very optimistic” about a potential release.
Trump cited his track record of securing the release of Americans abroad, mentioning Pastor Andrew Brunson as his leading example.
FACT-CHECK — MISLEADING: Brunson was facing “a 35-year term”
Trump described Brunson as having been held in Turkey “a 35-year term.” This conflates the maximum possible sentence Brunson faced under the original charges with what he was actually sentenced to. The charges against Brunson did carry a potential maximum of 35 years’ imprisonment (PBS News, 2018). However, the Turkish court convicted him of terrorism-related charges and sentenced him to just over three years in prison — specifically three years, one month, and fifteen days — and released him immediately, crediting his two years of pre-trial detention as time served (Al Jazeera, 2018; USCIRF). The 35-year figure reflects the maximum exposure under the original indictment, not any sentence Brunson actually received or came close to serving.
Trump also contrasted his approach with the Biden administration’s hostage diplomacy, saying Biden “give $6 billion all the time to get people out” — a reference to the Iran sanctions relief/prisoner swap that freed five Americans in 2023 — while claiming he does not pay ransoms.
Closing: Trump’s Overall Assessment
Trump closed the interview by calling the summit “a fantastic success” and framing U.S.-China relations as the defining bilateral partnership of the era — what he called “the G-2.” He said Xi congratulated him in front of both delegations for the pace of America’s economic transformation, calling it “a miracle.” Trump confirmed Xi is expected to visit the White House around September 24, 2026.
Notable Exchanges and Revealing Moments
On Taiwan’s security: When asked whether Taiwanese people should feel more or less secure after the summit, Trump answered “Neutral” — a strikingly flat answer suggesting the summit produced no new American security assurances for Taipei.
On not caring about Americans’ finances: Trump did not walk back his earlier statement that he “doesn’t think about Americans’ financial situation” regarding Iran, calling it “a perfect statement” he would make again. His defense — that preventing a nuclear Iran justifies short-term economic pain — is a policy argument, not a factual error.
On Iran capitulating: When Baier asked whether Iran would capitulate soon, Trump replied: “Yeah, oh, I’m sure they will. I have no doubt.” He offered no specific basis for this confidence.
On using Taiwan’s weapons package as leverage: Trump was unusually explicit about treating the $12 billion weapons package as a bargaining chip in negotiations with China — a posture that critics argue subordinates Taiwan’s security to U.S. deal-making with Beijing.
On dealing with post-strike Iranian leadership: Trump said so many Iranian leaders have been eliminated that he is struggling to identify who he is actually negotiating with: “I’m trying to figure out who the hell are we dealing with.”
Fact-Check Verdict Reference
The following is a quick-reference guide to all verdicts in this article.
The Boeing 200-plane deal is rated Accurate with caveats — confirmed by Boeing, though specific models and timelines remain unspecified. The $18 trillion investment claim is rated False — approximately double the White House’s own tracker figure, itself considered inflated by independent economists. Taiwan being “59 miles” from mainland China is rated False — the strait is 81 to 110 miles wide at various points. The Venezuela “48 minutes” claim is rated Misleading — the full operation lasted approximately two-and-a-half hours, though the air strike phase was shorter. The China oil/Hormuz “40 percent” figure is rated Approximately Accurate — independent estimates range from 35 to 50 percent. The “13 soldiers in two wars” figure is rated Approximately Accurate — confirmed by CENTCOM, though The Intercept has reported evidence of undercounting. The “mountain literally collapsed” nuclear claim is rated False — Fordow was heavily damaged but independent analysts and satellite imagery do not support this characterization, and Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile remains unaccounted for. The Dow and S&P market records are rated Accurate — Trump’s S&P figure of “7,000” was actually an understatement, as the index stood at 7,501 the day before the interview. The employment record claim is rated Misleading — technically true in raw headcount terms due to population growth, but the labor force participation rate declined slightly. The Taiwan weapons package “$12 billion” figure is rated Approximately Accurate — the actual combined value is approximately $11.43 billion. The “159 ships” Iran naval claim is rated Approximately Accurate — CENTCOM confirmed destroying at least 155 vessels. The Brunson “35-year term” claim is rated Misleading — that was the maximum charge exposure, not his actual sentence of approximately three years.
Source
“Interview with Donald Trump, President of the United States, as Aired on Fox News’ Special Report.” Political Transcript Wire, 16 May 2026. VIQ Solutions Inc./VIQ Media Transcription, Inc. ProQuest Political Transcript Wire, ProQuest document ID 3342246764.