In a wide-ranging interview at Mar-a-Lago on October 31, 2025, President Donald Trump defended his trade agreement with China’s President Xi Jinping, announced plans to resume nuclear weapons testing after more than 30 years, and took a hard line on the ongoing government shutdown while blaming Democrats for refusing to extend funding.
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In a wide-ranging interview at Mar-a-Lago on October 31, 2025, President Donald Trump defended his trade agreement with China’s President Xi Jinping, announced plans to resume nuclear weapons testing after more than 30 years, and took a hard line on the ongoing government shutdown while blaming Democrats for refusing to extend funding. The president discussed military operations near Venezuela, claimed success in resolving eight of nine global conflicts through tariff threats, and addressed the fragile Israel-Gaza ceasefire he brokered. Trump also confronted questions about recent indictments of his critics including James Comey and John Bolton, defended aggressive immigration enforcement tactics, and explained his pardon of cryptocurrency billionaire C.Z. despite national security concerns—all while the longest government shutdown in American history continues with no resolution in sight.
Participants
President Donald J. Trump – President of the United States (Second Term)
Norah O’Donnell – CBS News Correspondent
Complete Interview Breakdown
China Trade Agreement and Xi Jinping Meeting
President Trump opened the interview by characterizing his relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping as strong, despite what he called “the COVID moment.” He described Xi as “a powerful man, a strong man, a very powerful leader” and emphasized the importance of the two countries getting along given their global influence.
When pressed by O’Donnell about what he achieved in the recent deal, Trump claimed he got “sort of everything that we wanted,” specifically highlighting the elimination of China’s rare earth threat and billions of dollars flowing in through tariffs approaching 50%. He criticized the Biden administration for letting his previous tariffs lapse through exemptions.
The president acknowledged the trade war had caused temporary pain for American soybean farmers and that China had withheld rare earth materials crucial for products ranging from smartphones to submarines. However, he framed this as “a temporary hurt” and explained that when China used rare earths as leverage, the United States responded by withholding airplane parts for China’s Boeing fleet. Trump characterized both sides as acting “maybe a little bit irrationally.”
The turning point, according to Trump, came when he threatened to impose a 100% tariff on top of existing duties. This brought China to the negotiating table, resulting in a meeting in South Korea that produced what he described as “a really good deal.”
Rare Earth Materials and Strategic Independence
O’Donnell noted that approximately 90% of rare earth minerals currently come from China, representing a significant vulnerability. Trump responded that within “a year to a year and a half,” the United States would have everything needed through an emergency program he instituted.
The president explained that this wasn’t just a threat against the United States but “a threat against the world,” prompting global cooperation. He mentioned partnerships established with Japan, Australia, the United Kingdom, and other nations, predicting that “within two years, rare earths will really cease to be a problem.”
Semiconductors and the AI Race
On the critical question of advanced semiconductors, Trump firmly stated he would not allow Nvidia to sell their most advanced chips to China, though he would permit them to deal with Nvidia on less sophisticated technology. His reasoning: “The most advanced, we will not let anybody have them other than the United States.”
When O’Donnell pointed out that giving China access to advanced chips would help them win the AI race, Trump countered that the United States is currently winning because of his policy allowing companies to generate their own electricity. He explained that massive AI plants being built are constructing their own electric generating facilities rather than relying on the aging national grid, with any excess electricity sold back into the system.
The president claimed approvals that once took 20 years are now being completed in “two and three weeks,” and boasted that America is “leading the AI race right now by a lot” with numbers “people have no idea” about. He called AI “the new internet, the new everything all put together.”
Semiconductors Manufacturing and Tariff Strategy
Trump projected that within two years, the United States will capture 40-50% of the chip market, noting that “the biggest companies are leaving Taiwan” and coming to America because of tariffs. He complained that the country currently has “almost none” of the chip market despite once having 100%, blaming previous presidents who “didn’t know anything about business.”
The president claimed $17 trillion is being invested in the United States during his nine months in office, compared to “less than a trillion” during Biden’s entire four years. He predicted this figure would exceed $20 trillion by the end of his term, calling it “the biggest in history by many times.”
When asked how this would benefit average workers, Trump pointed to jobs created by plants being built. He highlighted that the United States lost 58% of automobile manufacturing to other countries but predicted America would “be the king again” within 18-24 months, citing commitments from major Japanese companies to build auto plants in the United States.
Chinese Infiltration and Threat Assessment
O’Donnell raised concerns about U.S. intelligence agencies reporting Chinese infiltration of American power grids and water systems, theft of intellectual property and personal information, and purchases of American farmland. She asked directly: “How big of a threat is China?”
Trump’s response was somewhat dismissive, stating “It’s like everybody else. We’re a threat to them too. Many of the things that you say, we do to them.” He characterized the relationship as competitive but manageable, suggesting America can be “bigger, better, and stronger by working with them as opposed to just knocking them out of the economy.”
The president argued for a division of labor where China produces items like undergarments while America leads in AI, chips, and other advanced technologies.
Taiwan: The Unstated Understanding
On the critical flashpoint of Taiwan, O’Donnell noted that the Chinese military is encroaching on Taiwan’s sea lanes, airspace, and cyberspace. When she asked if Trump would order U.S. forces to defend Taiwan if China moved militarily, his response was deliberately vague: “You’ll find out if it happens. And he understands the answer to that.”
Trump revealed that Taiwan never came up during his two-and-a-half-hour meeting with Xi, suggesting this indicated mutual understanding. He noted Taiwan is 69 miles from China while the U.S. is 9,500 miles away, but emphasized distance doesn’t matter regarding what would happen.
When pressed repeatedly to explain publicly what Xi “understands,” Trump refused: “I can’t give away my secrets. I don’t want to be one of these guys that tells you exactly what’s gonna happen if something happens. The other side knows, but I’m not somebody that tells you everything because you’re asking me a question.”
He claimed that Chinese officials have “openly said at meetings, ‘We would never do anything while President Trump is president,’ because they know the consequences.”
Nuclear Weapons Testing Announcement
In perhaps the most significant policy revelation of the interview, Trump announced that the United States would resume nuclear weapons testing after more than 30 years—a move he disclosed via social media less than an hour before meeting Xi.
O’Donnell pressed for clarification on what he meant by instructing the “Department of War” to start testing immediately. Trump explained his reasoning: While the U.S. has more nuclear weapons than any country (with Russia second and China “a very distant third”), he believes China will catch up in five years. He raised the possibility of denuclearization discussions with both Putin and Xi.
However, his justification for resuming testing was that Russia announced plans to test, North Korea tests constantly, and “other countries are testing. We’re the only country that doesn’t test, and I wanna be—I don’t wanna be the only country that doesn’t test.”
When O’Donnell clarified that North Korea is the only country actually detonating nuclear weapons for testing—Russia recently tested delivery systems but not warheads—Trump insisted otherwise: “Russia’s testing, and China’s testing, but they don’t talk about it. You know, we’re an open society. We’re different.”
He continued to assert that both Russia and China conduct underground tests “where people don’t know exactly what’s happening” and argued, “We have to test. How are you gonna know if they work?”
O’Donnell pointed out that according to experts, America doesn’t need to test nuclear weapons because “they’re the best in the world.” Trump agreed they’re the best—”according to me”—because he “renovated them and built them during a four-year period” of his first term, despite hating to do so because “the destructive capability is something you don’t even wanna talk about.”
The Eight Wars Trump Claims to Have Solved
Trump pulled out a prepared list claiming he “solved eight wars” during his first eight months in office, using them as examples of his negotiating prowess. The conflicts he listed included:
- Cambodia-Thailand
- Kosovo-Serbia
- Congo-Rwanda
- Pakistan-India (which he called particularly dangerous, involving downed aircraft and nuclear threats)
- Israel-Iran
- Egypt-Ethiopia (regarding a dam that cuts water flow to the Nile)
- Armenia-Azerbaijan
- Israel-Hamas
The president revealed his primary tactic: “In 60% I said, ‘If you don’t stop fighting, I’m putting tariffs on both of your countries and you’re not gonna be able to do business with the United States.’” He emphasized that without tariffs and trade leverage, he wouldn’t have been able to make these deals.
Trump specifically highlighted the India-Pakistan conflict, claiming the Prime Minister of Pakistan said publicly, “If Donald Trump didn’t get involved, many millions of people would be dead right now.” He described it as nearly becoming a nuclear war.
Russia-Ukraine: The Unsolved Conflict
The one conflict Trump admitted he hasn’t resolved is Russia-Ukraine, which he “thought actually would be the easiest one” because of his relationship with President Putin. When O’Donnell asked who’s tougher to deal with—Putin or Xi—Trump described both as “tough,” “smart,” and “very strong leaders” who are “not to be toyed with.”
Regarding the lack of progress despite rolling out “the red carpet” for Putin in Alaska in August, Trump blamed inheriting a situation where Putin “thinks he’s winning.” He repeatedly emphasized this “was a war that would’ve never happened if I was president,” noting it didn’t happen during his first term and blaming Joe Biden entirely.
Trump pointed out that Biden gave $350 billion to Ukraine, including weapons that allowed them to fight, and framed it as “Joe Biden’s war, not my war. I inherited that stupid war.”
When asked why his tariff strategy isn’t working with Putin, Trump explained that “we don’t do very much business with Russia” but believes Putin “wants to come in and he wants to trade with us, and he wants to make a lotta money for Russia.” He expressed confidence: “I think we’re gonna get it done.”
Venezuela and Caribbean Military Operations
O’Donnell raised questions about U.S. military escalation in the Caribbean, noting at least eight boats destroyed by the U.S. military and the U.S.S. Gerald Ford—the world’s largest aircraft carrier—heading to the region. She asked directly: “Are we going to war against Venezuela?”
Trump’s answer was hedged: “I doubt it. I don’t think so.” But he launched into complaints about Venezuela dumping “hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we didn’t want, people from prisons—they emptied their prisons into our country. They also emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylums into the United States of America.”
When pressed about why the aircraft carrier was deployed, Trump explained that “every one of those boats that you see shot down kills 25,000 Americans” through drugs and “destroys families all over our country.”
O’Donnell described the military operation as “using a blowtorch to cook an egg” and asked if it was about stopping narcotics or removing President Maduro. Trump listed multiple reasons, prioritizing that Venezuela “allowed their prisons to be emptied into our country.”
He confirmed he believes “Maduro’s days as president numbered” and refused to confirm or deny potential land strikes in Venezuela, stating, “I’m not gonna tell you what I’m gonna do with Venezuela, if I was gonna do it or if I wasn’t going to do it.”
Trump also mentioned Tren de Aragua, which he called “probably the worst gang, most vicious gang in the world,” claiming they cut off a person’s hand for calling police. He stated that Washington, D.C. had many members but “we took care of business. They’re gone.”
Israel-Gaza Ceasefire and Hamas
On Israel, Trump took credit for getting “the remaining Israeli hostages out of Gaza” and arranging a ceasefire. When O’Donnell characterized it as fragile, he disagreed: “It’s not fragile. It’s a very solid—Hamas could be taken out immediately if they don’t behave. They know that.”
Trump made an interesting revelation about the emotional complexity of the hostage families: Many parents who knew their children were dead “were as anxious or even more anxious of getting their child out, even though they knew it was a body that we were dealing with, than the people that had a living child.” He noted that four more bodies came out just the day before the interview.
He corrected O’Donnell’s framing: “I didn’t get just the 20 out. I got all of the hostages out.”
On Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, Trump acknowledged having to “push him a little bit one way or the other” but praised him as “a wartime prime minister” and “a very talented guy” who “has never been pushed before, actually.” He suggested Netanyahu is being treated unfairly regarding trials for unspecified charges and said, “We’ll be involved in that to help him out a little bit, because I think it’s very unfair.”
Iran Bombing and Middle East Peace
Trump described military strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities as key to Middle East peace, claiming that for 3,000 years “they couldn’t do it. I did it.” He detailed the B-2 bomber operation against Iran’s nuclear sites, noting that pilots had been practicing the route for 22 years and he was “the only president that let us do our job.”
The operation involved hitting air shafts at midnight “with no moon, with no vision,” with every bomb hitting its target. Trump invited the pilots and support personnel to the White House, giving them medals, explaining they deserved recognition for being “really brave people.”
He claimed Iran now “very much wants to make a deal” and emphasized: “The key to Middle East peace was knocking the hell out of their potential nuclear” capabilities. The Atomic Energy Agency reportedly said “the hit was even stronger than anyone ever thought possible.”
The mission involved 52 tanker planes for refueling over a 37-hour flight, surrounded by F-22s, F-16s, and F-35s for protection.
Saudi Arabia and the Abraham Accords
Regarding the upcoming visit from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, who has stated they won’t join the Abraham Accords without a two-state solution, Trump simply said: “I think he’s gonna join. I think we will have a solution. I don’t know if it’s gonna be two-state. That’s gonna be up to Israel and other people, and me.”
He reiterated that none of this would be possible if Iran had nuclear capability, which he claims to have eliminated.
Government Shutdown Crisis
The interview occurred during what O’Donnell described as approaching “the longest shutdown in American history,” with more than a million federal workers not receiving paychecks, air traffic controller shortages causing airport delays, and food aid for 42 million Americans set to expire.
Trump placed blame entirely on Democrats: “The Democrats’ fault.” He explained that “Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it, and the Democrats keep voting against ending it.”
He complained that Democrats have traditionally always voted for extensions in previous shutdowns (which he said have happened “like 18 times before”) but are refusing now because they think it’s politically advantageous. However, he claimed polls are turning against them by “20-25%.”
Trump’s position: “All they have to do, Norah, is say, ‘Let’s vote.’ And you can open the—the economy could open up during our interview.”
When asked what he can do to end it, he stated he cannot “give them $1.5 trillion so that they can give welfare to people that came into our country illegally. So that prisoners, and that people from mental institutions, and people that are drug dealers get vast amounts of money for healthcare.”
Healthcare and Obamacare Battle
The shutdown is partially tied to healthcare, with Trump reiterating his long-standing criticism of Obamacare: “Obamacare is terrible. It’s bad healthcare at far too high a price. We should fix that.”
O’Donnell pressed him repeatedly on this, noting he’s been talking about fixing healthcare since 2015. Trump acknowledged they came “one vote short” during his first term—referencing John McCain’s famous thumbs-down vote—saying, “We woulda had great healthcare.”
A critical issue: If Obamacare subsidies aren’t extended, tens of millions of Americans will see their monthly premiums double. O’Donnell noted that three-quarters of affected people live in states Trump won, with Florida having the highest number of Obamacare enrollees in the country.
Trump insisted the subsidies are part of “a defective plan” and claimed: “I can make it much less expensive for people and give them much better healthcare.” However, when repeatedly asked “where is that plan?”, he didn’t provide specifics, instead saying he’d “be willing to work with the Democrats on it” if they end the shutdown.
His ultimate stance: “We only need five of their votes. We only need five votes, and already a couple of Democrats, a few Democrats are already voting. They want to open up. And we’ll fix all of those problems.”
Nuclear Option and the Filibuster
Trump went further, advocating for the “nuclear option”—ending the Senate filibuster. He acknowledged that Senate Majority Leader John Thune said that day they wouldn’t do it, but Trump disagreed with that position.
His argument: “The Democrats will do it in the first week in office” if they gain power, and the only reason they didn’t already was because of Senators Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin. Trump characterized Democrats as having “horrible policy, but they are the most vicious human beings on Earth. They are people that weaponize government.”
He listed what he sees as Democrats’ worst policies: “Open borders, men playing in women’s sports, transgender for everybody” which he called “99:1 issues” that Democrats refuse to change.
Tariffs and Supreme Court Challenge
On what Trump called “the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in 100 years,” O’Donnell noted that the Court will hear arguments on whether he has authority to impose sweeping tariffs without Congressional approval, with lower courts having ruled against him.
Trump was emphatic: “I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. I think our economy will go to hell” if the Court invalidates his tariff authority. He argued that tariffs are responsible for:
– The highest stock market ever
– 401(k)s at record levels
– Ending six of eight wars
– A great economy
– National security
– Global respect for America
He claimed the lawsuit was “instituted and backed by foreign countries that have been ripping us off for years” who want tariffs removed so they can continue exploiting the United States.
Trump argued that tariff decisions must be “quick and nimble” and can’t go through Congress: “You can’t have Congress here. This has to be quick and nimble.” He used the China example: after threatening a 100% tariff, “We got a phone call 20 minutes later. ‘We’d like to talk.’”
When O’Donnell noted that tariffs have led to inflation and increased costs for Americans, with companies passing on more than 30% of costs to consumers, Trump pushed back: “We have no inflation. Biden had inflation, and he didn’t have tariffs. He didn’t use tariffs. You know why he didn’t use ’em? ‘Cause he’s not smart enough to use ’em.”
He maintained that despite tariffs, “I have no inflation” (noting it’s at 2%) and “total national security.”
Immigration Enforcement and ICE Tactics
Trump campaigned heavily on immigration and achieved what O’Donnell acknowledged as success: “Illegal crossings at the Southern border are at a 55-year low.”
However, she raised concerns about recent videos showing “ICE tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows.” When asked if raids have gone too far, Trump was unapologetic: “No. I think they haven’t gone far enough because we’ve been held back by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama.”
When asked if he’s okay with those tactics, he responded: “Yeah, because you have to get the people out.” He justified this by claiming many are “murderers,” criminals released from jails, or people from mental institutions.
O’Donnell pointed out that Trump promised to deport “the worst of the worst, violent criminals, rapists” but many people arrested and deported are actually “landscapers, nannies, construction workers, farmworkers” and families of U.S. service members without criminal records.
Trump acknowledged: “I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody” but maintained focus on “bad ones,” citing “over 11,000 murderers released into our country, over 11,000, 50% of which have murdered more than one person.”
On whether he intends to deport people without criminal records, Trump explained: “We have to start off with a policy, and the policy has to be you came into the country illegally, you’re gonna go out. However, you’ve also seen, you’re gonna go out. We’re gonna work with you, and you’re gonna come back into our country legally.”
He estimated that probably 25 million people were let into the country (though some say 10 million), and “of the 25, many of them should not be here.”
Crime in Washington, D.C. and American Cities
Trump made strong claims about reduced crime in Washington, D.C., stating that “you can walk down the middle of the street. You can have your daughter who’s ten years old meet you at the park. She’s gonna be okay. She woulda been murdered” before.
When O’Donnell (who lives in D.C.) was noncommittal about seeing the difference because she’s “been working too hard,” Trump pressed the point, eventually saying he didn’t want to embarrass her.
On the New York City mayoral race, Trump criticized Democratic Socialist candidate Zohran Mamdani (described as the front-runner), calling him not a Socialist but a “Communist” who is “far worse than a Socialist.”
When O’Donnell mentioned Andrew Cuomo’s warning that if Mamdani becomes mayor, Trump “will take over New York and send tanks down Fifth Avenue,” Trump called it “so crazy” but said Mamdani “will make de Blasio look like one of our great mayors” despite de Blasio being “the worst mayor in history.”
Trump suggested it would be “hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York” if there’s “a Communist running New York” because “all you’re doing is wasting the money you’re sending there.”
Insurrection Act and Military Deployment to Cities
In a significant statement, when asked about his comment that “if we need more than the National Guard, we’ll send more than the National Guard,” Trump clarified: “If you had to send in the Army or if you had to send in the Marines, I’d do that in a heartbeat.”
He referenced the Insurrection Act, noting “no judge can even challenge you on that” and emphasized he hasn’t used it yet because he hasn’t “felt we need it.”
Trump claimed that “almost 50% of” presidents have used the Insurrection Act, with some recent ones using it “28 times.”
He specifically criticized the Governor of Illinois (not named), saying “4,000 people were murdered during his governorship” yet the governor “won’t let us bring in the National Guard” to Chicago.
Political Retribution: Comey, Bolton, and Letitia James
O’Donnell raised the recent indictments of James Comey, John Bolton, and Letitia James, noting they’re all public figures who denounced Trump, and asked if this is political retribution.
Trump’s response was defiant: “You know who got indicted, the man you’re lookin’ at. I got indicted, and I was innocent.” He emphasized he was impeached twice and called the people who went after him “scum.”
He insisted: “I didn’t instruct the Department of Justice in any way, shape or form” to go after them, claiming “they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have, Pam Bondi’s doin’ a very good job. Kash Patel’s doing a very good job. The honest people that we have go after ’em automatically.”
Trump repeatedly referenced the Mar-a-Lago raid where “78 or 98 FBI agents with arms come into my house,” describing how they went through his wife’s closets and drawers, throwing files on the floor and photographing them.
On Comey: “Comey’s a dirty cop…He lied all over the place. He lied to Congress.”
On Bolton: “Actually helped me ’cause he was crazy…every time somebody saw Bolton standing behind me, foreign countries, they conceded.”
On Letitia James: “A total crook. She’s a low-life.” He noted he just won the case against her where she wanted him to pay $500 million.
Political Violence and Cabinet Security
Addressing the issue of political violence, including his own near-assassination in Butler, Pennsylvania, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the firebombing of Governor Josh Shapiro’s house, and the murder of a Minnesota lawmaker, Trump said: “I think primarily on the left. A little bit of both, but I think primarily on the left.”
O’Donnell noted that several of his cabinet secretaries and aides are now living on military bases for security. Trump acknowledged the rhetoric problem, saying “they call me a Nazi all the time. I’m not a Nazi. I’m the opposite. I’m somebody that’s saving our country.”
He blamed “the fake news” and the press for being “largely responsible for it,” though he praised the term “fake news” as “one of the greatest terms I’ve ever come up with.” He claimed press approval numbers have gone “from, like, in the 90s to in the teens now.”
2028 Election and Third Term Questions
When asked about the 2028 Republican ticket and whether he’d try to run for a third term, Trump demurred: “I don’t even think about it. I will tell you, a lotta people want me to run.”
He emphasized Republicans have “a strong bench” and mentioned J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio favorably, saying “We could run two people together. We have a great bench.”
However, Trump returned to a familiar grievance: “The 2020 election was rigged. And a lotta people say when it’s rigged you’re allowed to do it again.”
He contrasted the Republican bench with Democrats, criticizing California’s governor as having “ruined the state, destroyed it,” Representative Jasmine Crockett as “a very low-IQ person,” and AOC as “not a good speaker” who was “screaming…like a crazy person.”
Trump also mentioned that 60 Minutes paid him “a lotta money” in a settlement because they “took her answer out that was so bad, it was election-changing, two nights before the election” (referring to Kamala Harris) “and they put a new answer in.”
Cryptocurrency Pardon Controversy
In the interview’s most contentious exchange, O’Donnell questioned Trump about his pardon of C.Z. (Changpeng Zhao), the crypto billionaire who pled guilty in 2023 to violating anti-money laundering laws. The government had accused him of causing “significant harm to U.S. national security” by allowing terrorist groups like Hamas to move millions of dollars around.
The timing was notable: In 2025, C.Z.’s crypto exchange Binance facilitated a $2 billion purchase of World Liberty Financial’s stablecoin—a company formed by Trump and his sons Don Jr. and Eric with the Witkoff family.
Trump’s defense: “I don’t know who he is. I know he got a four-month sentence or something like that. And I heard it was a Biden witch hunt…I don’t think I ever met him. Maybe I did. Or, you know, somebody shook my hand or something. But I don’t think I ever met him. I have no idea who he is.”
He explained: “I was told that he was a victim, just like I was and just like many other people, of a vicious, horrible group of people in the Biden administration.”
When O’Donnell pressed on the appearance of “pay for play” given the $2 billion transaction followed by the pardon, Trump responded: “I know nothing about it because I’m too busy doing the other—my sons are into it. I’m glad they are, because it’s probably a great industry, crypto…they’re running a business, they’re not in government.”
His broader argument: “I only care about one thing. Will crypto be—will we be number one in crypto?” He emphasized that crypto “has turned out to be a massive industry” and claimed Biden switched to supporting crypto when he realized Trump was getting “100% of the crypto vote.”
Trump insisted: “We are number one in crypto in the whole world. Other people wanna be. They’re fighting like hell to be. But we’re number one in crypto because I’m the president.”
MLA Citation
CBS News. “Read the Full Transcript of Norah O’Donnell’s Interview With President Trump Here.” CBS News, 2 Nov. 2025, www.cbsnews.com/news/read-full-transcript-norah-odonnell-60-minutes-interview-with-president-trump/. Accessed 2 Nov. 2025.